UK Supreme Court rules definition of a woman is based on biological s*x

Thrones Created Apr 16, 2025 12:46 by Thrones -
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t

A very controverisal issue to out it mildly. The Scottish government had argued that transgender people with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) are entitled to s*x-based protections, while For Women Scotland argued they only apply to people that are born female. The Scottish first minister stepped down after a car crash of an interview where she couldnt define a woman after introducing this interpretation of the law.

Obviously one side is delighted and a group of women started singing together outside of the court.

This topic has 35 comments

Thrones

Apr 16, 2025 12:49

This case first arose when the Scottish government included transgender women in quotas to ensure gender balance on public sector boards.

Campaign group For Women Scotland challenged the definition of a woman in the Act and the issue has been contested several times in the Scottish courts.

Holyrood ministers won a previous case in Scotland, with judge Lady Haldane ruling in 2022 that the definition of s*x was "not limited to biological or birth s*x".

The Scottish government argued that transgender people with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) - an official document you can get to say you've changed gender - were entitled to s*x-based protections under the Equality Act.

This meant that transgender women with a GRC would have been entitled to the same protections afforded to biological women - and as a result treated the same - under the Act.

They argued that the original legislation was clear that obtaining a GCR amounts to a change of s*x "for all purposes".

Siding with the government, many transgender people warned that the For Women Scotland case could erode the protections they have against discrimination in their reassigned gender.

For Women Scotland

The women's rights group, meanwhile, argued that these protections should only apply to people that are born female.

A "common sense" interpretation of the words man and woman was required, the group suggested, adding that s*x is an "immutable biological state".

And, the group warned of implications for the running of single-s*x spaces and services - including hospital wards and prisons - should the court side with the government

Jay Jay

Apr 16, 2025 12:51

Imagine a world where we devoted our time and energy to something worthwhile instead of being just so silly

Grumman, Inc.

Apr 16, 2025 14:37

I don’t think this is simply a meaningless culture war issue, and I tend to fall on the side of JK Rowling on the importance of protecting women’s spaces. It’s not simply a matter of “oh, you guys are all just unenlightened bigots and need to just change your mindset to embrace modernity.” At the same time, trans people exist and should have the same basic protections under the law that everyone else has. I don’t know how best to solve the many thorny issues around this topic, so I’m open to thoughtful arguments from all sides that respect the humanity of all involved.

Jay Jay

Apr 16, 2025 14:57

We could have Gundams by now ;(

Jay Jay

Apr 16, 2025 15:04

In Starship Troopers everyone pooped in the same shower, and they had Gundams

Ryan Razorwire

Apr 16, 2025 15:31

The law of nature says if a woman is born with boobs and a vagina she is a woman. The court has no place here.

Mr Nightnews

Apr 16, 2025 16:22

They have no idea what the implications are really do they lol!?

The only rational fall back is to accept that there is a third s*x, natural hermaphrodites fall into this category that may or may not have had gender assignment surgery after birth. This surgery is optional now and some may have skipped being recognised at all due to variation in how it presents. So this can rationally include trans people..

As for which restroom or changing room to use that may be tricky but many venues and eg public swimming pool facilities operate mixed toilets and changing rooms now anyway.

I guess if some girly girl trans girl is scared of being beaten up in the cis hairy assed male toilets they can politely ask the biological ladies if they can use their loos? Or just find another less dodgy, venue or alley to piss in lol..

I saw this on topic tune performed live at the edfringe, great show, funny af!
Jessica's song...

Of course facts and rational don't matter these days so there will be more drama lol

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Reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

TheDarkGeek

Apr 16, 2025 16:56

Jay you c*nt I was drinking soda when I read your Gundam comment and now my nose burns lol

Jay Jay

Apr 16, 2025 17:35

You drink incorrectly.

emperorroberto

Apr 16, 2025 18:44

What about hermaphrodites?

Jay Jay

Apr 16, 2025 18:45

I hear they're really into s*x

emperorroberto

Apr 16, 2025 18:47

No,but if it's someone born w a vagina that is considered a woman they were born w a penis too.What does the dourt go by then?I guess what s*x they choose to be.

emperorroberto

Apr 16, 2025 18:48

Just wonder their ruling on them.

Psychopatrish

Apr 16, 2025 19:08

They're hermaphrodites.....

Mr Nightnews

Apr 16, 2025 20:55

..apparently they have special powers to entice hairy assed, knuckle dragging, cis, maga types, into getting giggety!

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Slothpenguin

Apr 16, 2025 21:18

I know some trans women, most dont know they're trans as they're post op and would have to out themselves for others to know. They dont want others to know as they worked hard and spent a fortune to become who they are.
Each group has idiots causing trouble, they're the ones causing JK and others to be extreme the other way.
Like every other trend used by attention seekers they will move on soon and ruin another area of society. When i was young being bi was used as the shock announcement, a way to stand out and upset your parents.
Luxuria is an example of a trans who was born in the wrong body, I see her as a woman who just wants to be who she wasn't born as.

Mercurius Mesmerize

Apr 17, 2025 16:42

The things in the news these days just keep getting more wacky by the day.

joao

Apr 17, 2025 20:28

I dont need a court to tell me anything, i can think for myself.

Mr Nightnews

Apr 18, 2025 22:31

..most goths decided on #pan a while back I rather thought?

A commanding officer in the black watch regiment I used to know in the 80's outed himself to me at a ***** club night. I had not seen him in years, quite a surprise to see him as a her! He was accompanied by another trans, luigi, a fighter pilot in the Italian Air force over on a NATO swan ffs!

My life was pretty weird when I was involved in clubbing lol, so quiet by comparison now..

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emperorroberto

Apr 20, 2025 06:23

I get it now,they never made a decision.

Jay Jay

Apr 20, 2025 11:43

Godamn is there nothing more delicious than someone saying "I get it now" and then establishing that they, in fact, do not get it?

Flyxglitter

Apr 20, 2025 12:42

I think it's crazy that people waste time and resources on these things. It's became a trend to be Lgbtq/ trans. Little children brain aren't developed yet and I hear people saying their kid is trans at 3 like what the hell.... And these younger people craving attention and or are having mental health issues, this trans thing because young adults have no identity yet and are trying to find themselves. Transition to another gender is not to be taken lightly. Before this was a thing I often felt awkward because I am above average height and built different from the expectation of what feminine should be. I can't wear women's shoes because I have huge feet. I would toware over guys in school so automatically assumed I was a dude with long hair. My mom brought around awful men so I couldn't dress a certain way or id get blamed for attempting to attract 40 year old men when I was literally 12. It made me question my identity and If I was born the wrong gender....but I learned Some boys look and built more "feminine" and some girls look and are built more " masculine".

Of course everyone in the USA deserve equality and should be protected from any form of discrimination. So if you truly are trans then great 👍 if you aren't then. Great 👍 let freedom ring. Just don't push it on children or young adults

Jay Jay

Apr 20, 2025 12:47

Just pointing out, its been 4 days.

Still no Gundams.

This world is f**ked up.

emperorroberto

Apr 21, 2025 02:56

OK,the government passed that rule but the government guy didn't understand it.

Joker

Apr 21, 2025 06:09

LOL!

emperorroberto

Apr 22, 2025 09:22

Jay so what if I didn't get it right away!Why do you give so much of a s h i t about what I say?

Jay Jay

Apr 22, 2025 11:04

s h i t

Gothicvamp777

Apr 25, 2025 03:10

You mean mechs you moron

Jay Jay

Apr 25, 2025 09:36

No i mean Gundams you failed attempt at a dracula cosplayer

emperorroberto

Apr 25, 2025 16:27

I don't understand what the hell Gundams means and whatever Dracula bulls**t.

Gothicvamp777

Apr 26, 2025 06:47

Gundams are a type mecha you moron

Jay Jay

Apr 26, 2025 10:05

Imagine calling someone a moron when you're the stupidest person who ever did learn to use the internet

emperorroberto

Apr 26, 2025 12:34

Oh,go to h el l l Gothvamp,I've never insulted you.I have said I hate hearing all your b u l l s h i t about religion and politics.Most people that are suppose to be on this site are suppose to hate religion and at most about politics just want weed to be legalised.

emperorroberto

Apr 26, 2025 12:38

Sorry ,I take that back I guess Gothvamp was talking about Jay.