"Real Punk" only consists of the UK scene and the Mid 70s New York scene. What is known by "Hardcore Punk" is nothing but noise with questionable real punk influence. When people try to argue that bands like Blink-182 are not real punk, while saying that Black Flag is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake punk as Blink-182 (plus the pretentiousness). Real punk sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake punk is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL PUNK are The sex pistols, The Ramones, The Dead Kennedys (the only real punk band from the hardcore scene) and Sham 69. Some examples of FAKE PUNK are Black Flag, Blink-182, and Minor Threat PUNK BELONGS TO REBELLIOUS ROCK NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE