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Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 17:25 Because of how incredibly stupid it is? Yeah, it's mindblowingly stupid. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 17:42
I was watching Columbo last night when I put that on, so wasn't paying 100% attention. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 18:43 I'd just say if you really want to know anything about the history of Christianity or any other religion, go to credible scholarship, not fückin YouTube crackpottery. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 19:07
But like I mentioned, quite a bit of it was accurate. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 19:08 Hindus also pray with clasped hands. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 19:21 Yeah, if the idea is that Christians have borrowed from past cultures in an almost wholesale way and that there never was a historical Jesus, that is not accurate despite whatever some prominent outliers are going around saying. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 20:03
But yet is doubtful any of those other figures existed anywhere outside the confines of myth. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 20:10
Conversly, it can be said that no one is going around desparately trying to refute the existence of Hare Krishna, etc,, so why the need to do so with Jesus? |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 21:00
For one thing, those stories are not as directly analogous to the Jesus story as you're portraying them to be. Secondly, there's the issue of what Jesus himself thought he was, namely, he didn't think he was the messiah, that's a designation he was given later by some Christians (not all, and here it would be even more useful for anyone here to know anything about all the different sects of early Christianity). And third, no serious scholar in the field of historical Jesus studies agrees with the claim that there was not historical figure "Jesus of Nazareth". I mean, maybe that doesn't mean anything to you that virtually ALL the experts in this field are in alignment about this issue, but then again it also might mean nothing to you that every serious scientist agrees with the theory of evolution too. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 21:51 So there's no sense in reading any book written by anyone who wasn't there to see the events happen. Got it. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 21:52 And by the way, I'm not making any sympathetic arguments to claims that Jesus was a supernatural entity of some kind, I'm simply saying he's someone historians agree existed and is not a complete myth. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 22:08 Historians think of things in degrees of certainty, especially where antiquity is concerned. They use established criteria in making these judgments, not guesswork. |
Deleted User Apr 10, 2017 23:09 Sure, take everything with a grain of salt because why does truth matter when you can just read Breitbart all day? |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 02:00 Um, no, they can't. Bullshiit news is bullshiit news because it's bullshiit news. |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 06:22
Historians DO NOT agree about Jesus ever existing. The ONLY one who referred to him round then was Josephus, in terms of others having to do with him, and many years after. Whether the two passages were fabricated afterwards or altered is subject to debate. |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 18:37 Right. I suggest you find better sources, namely, ones that might disconfirm your preconceived notions. I've read the mythicist literature and I don't find it at all convincing next to the ACTUAL scholarship of experts in this field. |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 18:45
Google. Because it works? |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 18:48
Look up Mithras and Zoroastrianism, you know, the religion that created the Hebrew Gods. |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 21:57 I understand the contemporary sources are obviously limited. The gospels all date from 35-65 years after Jesus' death, and Paul was writing around 20 years later. It's specifically because of this distance in time that makes it impossible to verify any of the supernatural claims surrounding his life, but as sources for a person existing, they can actually tell us some credible information (not a vast wealth of detailed information, but some general information). And this is where you would go read about that instead of referring me to fücking Google. I've read Carrier, Price, and Harpur. Now you go read Bart Ehrman and John Dominic Crossan. |
Deleted User Apr 11, 2017 21:58 *Paul wrote 20 years or so after Jesus' death, not 20 years after the canonical gospels. |
Deleted User Apr 12, 2017 00:04
Sorry Bolt, I have no time to do your homework for you. |
Deleted User Apr 12, 2017 14:45 Howbow you rely on better sources for your information? Jesus Fücking Christ, I've done my homework. It's you who doesn't know shït from Shinola when it comes to this topic. |
Apr 12, 2017 14:50 Haha Bolt, pay him no mind. He copies and pastes what he can find on Google that'll contradict everything you say and snip bits to make it look like his own work. |
Deleted User Apr 12, 2017 17:01
" Carrier, Price, and Harpur. ...Bart Ehrman and John Dominic Crossan. " are not the contemporary sources referring to Jesus asked for. Heck, you're over three thousand miles and two thousand years off. THOSE people's ancestor's didn't even have a written history of their own people back then, for that matter. |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 16:51 Oh ACTUAL spiritual beings, huh? As opposed to all those other fake ones. |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 17:27
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Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 17:43 Well you're good at finding pictures on Google, I'll give you that. More serious research, eh, not so much. |
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Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 17:46 PRAIZE JAYZUZ !!! |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 18:49 Who knew the Krishnas were such big Sinatra fans. |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 19:49 I wasn't even sure we had much any around downtown anymore. The oddest was walking with family and relatives around the cesspool that used to be Times Square and seeing droves of them around all the tourists and skegs. |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 19:57 I always though they were kind of a 70's thing. |
Deleted User Apr 13, 2017 20:24 Me too, most of them, although in the 80s there were even Krishna Punks!!! Obviously, seeing wayward youth in search of whatever, they tried to recruit them. For a spell, one time neo nazi, Stimulators/Cro-Mags's Harley Davidson (Flanagan) became one, leaving that stuff behind. |
Deleted User Jul 25, 2017 18:17 BOOOMP |
Jul 26, 2017 10:28 Yep, Cro Mags.... and Youth Of Today..... Krishna. Spawned a whole new direction for hardcore youth. A whole new set of bands..... John Joseph of the Cro Mags is still involved... |
Jul 26, 2017 10:31 When Harley and John are not stabbing each other..... They are consumed by inner peace.....lol |
Deleted User Jul 26, 2017 10:42
Yo, what happened to that case, Harley got arrested like 2 yrs ago for that? |
Deleted User Jul 27, 2017 05:48
Being this wunderkind drummer at 12 in the Stims got Harley a real strong following, and they hung around the slum that was the Lower East Side, full of Ricans, Ukranians, old Jewish folks, etc, and assorted Bohemians from Beatniks to Hippies to Punks and the rest of them as well as the eastern part of Gay central, NY, NY, and NYU students, etc. |
Deleted User Jul 27, 2017 06:07
There was also a cultural influence too with Punk here. |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 20:37 I'm STILL waiting for monkey brain Dolt 's stupendously incredible facts he was gonna post. |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 20:42 You don't have to wait, I already posted them months ago, back before I discovered what an irrational retard you were and what a fool's errand it is trying to have a meaningful conversation with you. At this point I expect you'll copy and paste some bullshït some other ignorant dipwad posted somewhere. Or else you'll re-post everything you already posted several times, that's another classic Mod move. Let me just tell you right now, save your breath, cowboy. No one gives a fück. |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 20:50
Ahh, the retard farts again, still with nothing to say. |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 20:52 I read books and listened to scholarly lectures and debates from experts to arrive at my conclusions. You used Google. Is there really anything more to say about it? |
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Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 21:00
"And this is where you would go read about that instead of referring me to fücking Google. I've read Carrier, Price, and Harpur. Now you go read Bart Ehrman and John Dominic Crossan." |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 21:05
Appeal to authority is bad enough, but appealing to appeal to authority? Is there a name for that fallacy? |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 21:07
I've read Maurice Sendak, so what's your point? |
Deleted User Aug 22, 2017 21:15
I've admitted I myself am not an expert, so the only way that I can learn something of this nature is from someone who is. You have no such humility. You Google something and all the sudden claim to know everything about it. This isn't the way smart people go about parsing facts and knowledge, it's the way pseudo-intellectual trolls go about cherry-picking random factoids that back up their presuppositions. Unfortunately for you, you came up against someone who knows vastly more about this topic that you do this time. I'm sure you've gotten away with this dumb nonsense before in other forums where people may not know better, but I do, and I shut your ass down. At some point, the honorable thing to do would be to admit you're a clueless shïthead and you lost. I could at least respect that. |
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